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#1 2011-04-03 12:01:49

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Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

Using Wifi Realtek 300 mbps USB wifi/n on 'internet download manager', XP downloaded the iso in about 33 minutes. Download was only 31 kBps to 101 kBps depending on the number of users on the B.H.M. hotspot traffic. fortunately all the users are not also downloading iso. So, the speed change is only temporary(a few seconds).

This compares to dialup modem speed is a little better than 10x speed. Is it anywhere close to /g or /n speed? Not at all. Its more like /b at the lowest speed of 1 or 2 mbps data rate(set at 18 mbps based on number of users online).

This comfirms the WiFi system traffic control must be by browser, which will only give us 1 kBps for webpages. Then someday with switching data rates of 300 mbps, 150 mbps, 108 mbps and 54 mbps, etc. by download manager, we can really do some software download.

Once, this traffic control is worked out, then to prevent packets being lossy, a tiny download manager has to be installed with any WiFi/b/g/n units. Download manager will be able to resume if signals were lost?

As you can see that this job has to be done by Microsoft, then large percentage of computer users will have autoupdate to get WiFi data rate speeds and packets resumed. Individual developers of Linux is lost trying to autoupate their own programming.

Now we have to use the lupu-525? Is it good enough with all the newest files. new files new bugs?

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#2 2011-04-05 22:19:45

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

Barry's simple network does not work for hotspot managed routers. Selecting the hotspot(unencrypted) doen't connect, because Barry only took care of encrypted network.

In gateway unencrypted setup, the gateway router is managed(no key but gets an ip address after connect); not master, which has access point. In Linux its managed, in windows its residential gatewayor, cisco infrastructure, but not access point adhoc or peer to peer connection. Once, you understood hotspot(hotspot managed software is freely available), you will find free internet connections around town. And you must have repair network script. Which disconnects, reconnects and gets ip address(again if lost or changed); but never clears access point memory(for peer to peer).

Simple network works only on encrypted network, such as eth0, or set-top box with protected wireless network.

So, Puppy lupu-525.iso is back to the distro shelf, not usable in free hotspot, such as MacDonald hamberger joint. Mini pci bcm4318 was listed as pcmcia. USB ralink 2870 does not work wither. tried dougle's network wizard, which did not connect either cases, wlan0 or 1. Network wizard did get the scan of all the wifi channel and ssid and all the other data for each channel, but no connect.

Cisco routers use fixed data rate as data channels to afford more users. Microsoft IE8 now uses data rate(clock) fixed, to give more data channels(1 or 2 mbps) for hotspot managed software users.

We are getting WiFi ready for millions of users with edgeQam data channels(separated by 333, 667, and 1 kilohz) beyond Cisco's limited data rate clock channels.

Lupu-525.iso on toughbook cf-48 with only 256 mB memory can not finish booting. It took 512 mB of memory on Dell c610 to finish booting.

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#3 2011-04-06 10:47:30

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

Distro developers often hope that Linux kernels kept up with technology. and on older computers, just assemble new files will work wonders. But alas, it isn't that easy. This is the failures of Linux or Linus trying to run faster with new kernels to avoid fixing the old kernels.

When we change Wifi/n for hotspots, even cisco can not keep up with their managed software to manage the number of guests on their router. How can Linux distros keep up when Microsoft changes the browser to run gateway router guest's data(single data rate) channel assignment. So, you can wait for the WiFi changes to become permanent, then distros will be able to get on hotspots. Linux operating system will have to wait even on android tablets, as we propose to allow more guests on one wifi router(more data channels). Andriod will be limited to 3/4G wireless microwave towers.

So, Puppy simple network scheme went down the tube, useless for hotspots free of charge. Isn't Linux people disappointed when there are no free beer?

Will Firefox and Chrome browsers do router assignment(control packet traffic)? Its too early to tell. In the meantime, I am using IE8 on XP to see how well these cheap WiFi/n devices are kept working 24/7 without overheating[cool down when not bursting packets, or downloading bit torrents at slow mbps(1-2)].

Once radio signal lists the hotspots on your location, selection of one on the list gets the dhcp script. DHCP still does the connect, and data channel assigned on hotspot channel. Data channel is single data rate assignment, then packet speed is packet resend on crc error.

Eventually, data rate assignment will change to edgeQam channels 1 ghz czrrier frequency and many IF channels(millions of clock frequencies) of which one will be assigned to your own WiFi/n device based on your MAC address assigned in manufacture.

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#4 2011-04-06 11:29:33

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

So far, Microsoft only took care of webpage download speed of 1-2 mbps for every user on the gateway router.

Someday, 300, 150, 108 and 54 mbps turbo speeds will be assigned to people who want to use special download manager(bit torrent of large mB) to do locked download, compressed(or reduced pixels) software such as iso operating system or movies. People have not put ascii codes on a page and transfer the entire page in video then use character recognition to read out ascii codes for maximum data compression. Google had used it so many years already, their patents may be expired.

The future still lies in fundamental technology of millions of radio channels for data, and reduce pixels of video to compress ascii codes on a page.

Footnote:
Reduced pixel compression, uses FPU to zoom the pixel resolution. So that you can reduce pixel numbers for transmission, then expand the number of pixels to your monitor size on you computer.

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#5 2011-04-07 20:25:51

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

On very old intersil prism1,2,2.5 or 3, the driver is limited to peer to peer on all the channels 1-13, and access point without channel assignment. Hotspot did not have infrastructure or gateway choice. Assigning channel 6 for B.H.M. selected site did connect to the gateway router. No encryption needed.

The driver is IEEE 802.11b driver. And speed can be selected to 1 or 2 mbps data rate. This works very well without ping to get wait state of 11 mbps clock cycle to synchronize correctly avoiding resend of packets.

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#6 2011-11-02 05:58:48

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

Slacko 5.3 main.iso download3ed from ibilio at 75 kBps(Realtek 8189 OFDM) speed about 28 minutes on wifi network.

Compared with Lucid 5.28?

Have to burn a cd-r then see what gives.

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#7 2011-11-03 04:11:28

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

For slitaz internet surfers, it is extremely important to have free memory dashboard to anticipate overflkow and crash.

Others may want to strip off more desktop apps. Media players maybe substituted by ipradio and ipTV downloaded by reduced pixel data compression(ARM cpu instruction sets thumb and thumb2 or FPU using jpeg zoomed pixels in mpeg4/h.264 codes).

Online available apps to replace desktop apps can be listed in bookmarks. Autoupdate of webpages in our servers in data centers is much easier task than autoupdate all client computers using dotnet strategy(ISP servers).

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#8 2011-11-16 22:28:56

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

The trick to get better download speed from wifi is to use older 802.11b cards. This force the router to use DSSS mode at 11 mbps. Which can top 900 kBps clocked by Lucent orinoco_cs drivers.

This does not explain the download speed of some servers which are heavily loaded by too many users. Microsoft servers are clocked at 550 kBps download. But the 750 kBps download had errors.

kernels come with drivers, which all needed testing to see if they work at all. I was lucky to get orinoco_cs working on kernel 2.6.30 and ath9k too. Puppy had too many drivers that are not usable with 2.6.32 kernel. You might have to find the source codes and the kernel that they came from(kernel and wifi drivers must be synchronized)?

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#9 2012-05-16 13:35:39

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

To be usable, Puppy has to have swap file(600 mB-2 gB) for hdd virtual memory if installed on hdd.

If you use livecd or USB key, its difficult to use virtual memory to work with laptops of limited memory installable.

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#10 2013-10-19 16:55:22

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Re: Puppy lupu-525.iso downloaded. 128 mB long. Is it usable ?

Going back to puppy 5.2.5 iso to run on Panasonic toughbook cf-48 without hdd and battery; but with 512 mB of memory P3m cpu.

After copying to ram init started kernel panic and killed init.

Will try some other laptops lster on. Puppy had gone beyond P4 cpu for a long time now, because Barry had to keep up with Ubuntu.

With bigdata webpages, I find support for PII, PIII and P4 laptops(300 mhz-2 ghz) quite suitabe for work on the internet. Even netbooks are not needed. Browser operating systems can be interesting.

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