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#1 2010-12-09 00:33:25

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IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

There are old laptops with large LCD screens that can compete with netbooks but still at $100 on ebay? Used maybe, but they were built like tanks, very tough indeed.

Aistrumi can be run with WiFi, since they are i686. Other tiny linux also can run with these laptops. So, what will USB devices make these laptops fancier than netbooks?

Its important to think that IBMPCs are terminals and USB can add mainframe computers with memory such as nand flash to have 127 parallel computers run by a terminal. PCMCIA has USB adaptors. But you still need hubs galore.

Now, terminals are too much work to type all that input. TV remotes just have channel flippers and volume control for video and audio. iPhone have touch screen with icons to flip channels and change volume control.

Do we design computer remotes to replace terminal? iPhone already is successful. We have 250 sets of free icons, Microsoft look and feel is all icon related. 800,000 is plenty of icon standards, but most are not needed if you use automation in middleware by artificial intelligence.

Linux is too far behind to be adapted. We stripped them open source down and then build them applications differently. Android is just a copy of iPhone? Not yet thinking of upto 128 channels of data processed simultaneously? Better think twice about USB Ralink WiFi/n from your computer?

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#2 2011-03-10 00:35:35

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Is Tinycore v3.5 for older laptops that has limited ram size? No really. Linux needs to have 16 mb of execution rea, and 48 mB of memory for system and apps in squashfs. That means you need a minimum of 64 mB to run any Linux tinycore or not.

Tinycore developers avoided write back corruption of data in file system by separating system on cdrom and data on USB drive(write back on fat32 can have local defrag module). This philosophy also make public computers usable privately. Any static apps can be downloaded into huge USB drives for use permanently.

This avoided Linux install on hdd and file system corruption that can not be restored because of the journaling system approach. The real trouble is that Linux file systems will eventually run out of free space, and you have to transfer the data on a larger drive or index the data. USB drives are more portable.

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#3 2011-09-14 20:40:47

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Laptops on ebay without hdd has several price ranges. The complete laptops are often over $100. The working ones are $75. the parts laptops start at 99 cents(P2). PIIIs are cheap. P4s parts laptops are $50.

The real value seemed to be estimated in the maximum dram size on the laptops. Anything less than 512 mB can be bought dirt cheap. This is why we are shaking down SliTaz to make it usable for older laptops cheap.

The good thing about older laptops are the pcmcia slots for quick wifi installation to speed up internet surfing on free hotspots in town.

There is hope for the junks in your actic. Value on ebay will also change for the better. Changing a parts laptop to a working laptop(wifi SliTaz) has its rewards at ebay?

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#4 2011-10-09 19:48:03

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Dell cpi and cpx are laptops without ethernet and dialup modem. They are p2 and PIII. Anything over 300 mhz is pretty good for stripped down livecd operation. Wifi pc-card can do everything internet.

They do have USB, and it can have SD card for /sda1 for data storage if you do not use hdd.

So, maybe we have to move on to tinycore and html viewer for browser to make laptops more interesting using less memory too. Lacking USB on some laptops can substitute with pc-card reader and cf card.

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#5 2011-10-13 02:16:59

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Dell cpi has insufficient 256 mB of drams to run slitaz?

Some one suggests to remove the battery to get back the bottom panel missing from desktop display.

Installing USB drive made Compaq M70 320 mB of drams insufficient to have orinoco wifi connected to gateway router.

SliTaz installation in ram is just below 192 mB of drams. But not enough free memory to run any apps. Some laptops have hardware apps that has to be run in Linux kernels. New kernels are more power hungry running cpu more frequently to refresh more memory installed.

All this is not good for micro and nano linux operating system using kernel version too new?

We are now shaking down SliTaz and tinycore on many 1999 vintage laptops to understand dram requirement adding wifi and USB drive for a more modern computer architecture. what has been discovered pushes the minimum dram requirement to 512 mB. Many laptops had only 256 mB capacity maximum.

We may have to resort to squashfs to reduce memory to load in 128 mB(16execution+64OS+48swap) and use 128 mB spared for apps?

If not, just surf internet, avoid USB drive housekeeping and battery too can reserve memory assignment(upto 128 mB) to other apps. Use only ac adapter at home to survive with maximum memory on the laptop.

In the end, you can see that w95/98 has benefits if we add USB drive, wifi and still can use these older laptops. While new Linux kernels has no advantage over the older linux kernels such as 2.4.22 either? Its important to know why bugs are created when memory is exhausted.

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#6 2011-11-08 05:12:33

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Recently, I had the opportunity of acquiring some  Dell cpi and cpx on ebay. It was cheap. But Dell quality of these old laptop somehow still very comfortable to use. And adding wifi sped them up.

Cpi is PII  266 to 400 mhz in different models. Cpi is 14" lcd and from 500 mhz to 1 ghz. Both can install W2k from Dell reinstall dvd. Which is a bargain at Amazon or ebay if you could find it.

These laptops have interchangeable parts of floppy, cdrom dvd, etc..

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#7 2011-12-08 11:33:49

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Netbooks use ARM cpu, which is derivative of 8 bit 6502 Apple cpu. The speed of Arm cpu is fast enough to transfer data from internet. The display system is now simplified to hdmi or extended cga. It works with a limited number of desktop apps and a browser. WinCE however is not as good as android apps.

These older laptops are mostly Pentium III or earlier cpus. With speed around 500 mhz, need wifi to connect to internet for faster data transfer than DSL. With hdd they are better than netbooks in functionality. Without hdd, you have to use livecd, which is not bad if you never power off. If you power off then all the extra data in the drams are lost. You can of course consider a system similar to netbooks using SD/cf cards for data storage.

However, these older laptops work very well with Win2K and memory of over 64 mB upto 320 mB. You only have to use firefox browser which also autoupdates if you downloaded from their website.

The fact that you might be able to spend only $20 on ebay for a working laptops, makes these older laptops a great hobby. You could also buy a cd(378 mB) from DEll to reinstall Win2k without keycode requirement from ebay or amazon for about $15. then add a $10 pcmcia orinoco wifi card(upto900 kBps from internet) on Agere 7.82 drivers.

This hobby is more interesting than buying a new netbook.

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#8 2011-12-11 08:08:43

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

SliTaz 3.0 stable needs 320 mB of drams, W2k pro needs 64 mB or more. Both needs orinoco wifi/b for 900 kBps data transfer from internet.

We have made SliTaz working by selecting hardware components that are compatible with the operating system of sliTaz.

We have now used Dell and Compaq W2k reinstall cds. And run sp4 from Microsoft to update W2k sp1. We have tried orinoco wifi/b cards with Agere 7.82 drivers(2.1 mB) and utility program(total 6.2 mB) which tests wifi cards. 900 kBps can be done if servers are not congested to use wifi traffic control.

Firefox 8.01 works with W2k. It and Adobe flash players are autoupdated for the longer future of W2k on laptops or desktops made since 1999(4 gB hdd, 1.72 gB free, 800 mB virtual memory).

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#9 2012-01-05 07:15:17

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

IBM 600x is already a collector's item, no more cheap parts laptops for auction. IBM has a problem with easy bios and error codes. 161 and 163 which is basically you have a dead cmos battery. Repair is find the batteryi next to the sodimms. Change the 2025 battery or improve to 2032. Then you can boot to cdrom or hdd.

500 mhz pIII is fast enough if you can use an orinoco wifi pc card. Never use /g/n wifi with ofdm transfer mode. The /g/nwifi chipset overheats and it self destructs with garbage data.

600x can use older 2.5" hdd which is thicker but less than 4 gB. You are best thinking upgrade to W2k firefox and 576 mB of sodimm memory. Xp(IE8) is sightly slower than W2k(firefox).

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#10 2012-01-05 17:36:43

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Ibm 600x has easy bios which may allow memory to be tested good, but fails to load bios unless memory is P100 cl2 . cl3 is too slow for the bios. Incidentally, this is also true for Dell c610. Its memory for cpu of 1.2 ghz has to be P133 not P100 for it to boot.

However, SliTaz 3.0 stable runs perfectly on 600x with only 312 mB of memory. But Dell restore cd can not be run due to Dell license detection by IBM rom.

On these older laptops, dimms are somewhat critical. Many people put in the wrong dimm and did not know memory test may show good but the chips are not usable because of density.

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#11 2012-01-10 08:18:16

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Dell c610 is best with XP installed. All the drivers are there in XP except the PCT dialup modem drivers(2.5 mB) which has to be downloaded from Dell. W2k is missing four drivers and difficult to find by googling.

This is also true using Linux with kernel versions which maybe drivers compatible with some cpu and chipsets.

1999 Pentium III should work with W2k(2000), but it took another  three years for XP(2003) to catch up with all the hardware components. P4 cpu and chipsets needed a folder of Intel 845GL chipsets drivers to be installed on top of XP before sp3 can be installed.

So, when we use SliTaz 3.0 stable on all the older laptops upto P4(VGA) and they all work, its a blessing with missing hdd(livecd).

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#12 2012-01-19 12:24:33

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

IBM 600x is often stopped by a cmos battery and time and date yet to be set.

The memory test does not indicate faulty data from high density memory chips that made up the memory stick of P100 cl2 256 mB(maximum memory allowed). Wrong memory can stop the computer from booting.

Ebay sellers are selling the good memory for IBM 600x at ridiculous prices. Waiting for a better time may not change the trend of selling computer parts of a stripped down computer for a profit. sonce it came with 64 mB of memory, Win95/98/SE maybe the solution. Or add USB2.0 and large flash memory(SD 2gB not HC) for virtual memory operation not using drams.

Its a very nice stripped down SliTaz computer with orinoco wifi pc-crad though with two 128 mB memory.

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#13 2012-01-23 16:26:28

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

W2k still can use 256 mB of drams and Firefox v4. with free memory of 108 mB.

SliTaz 3.0 stable can use 320 mB with 10 mB of free dram memory using Midori browser.

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#14 2012-01-24 12:01:49

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Dell cpi laptop is from 266 to 366 mhz PII cpu with external L2 cache, shared many components such as battery, floppy and DVD with other Dell C series laptops. Its relatively slow even for W2k, especially with sp4 security addition. But all the components are installed by sp4 addition. It even installed pcmcia modem xj1288/cc1288 drivers. I installed agere 7.82 drivers for the fastest Orinoco wifi cards. And by comparison Ehome101 wifi card too. OFDM wifi/g cards are slower in transmission, resending packets 6 times before good packet is received. also because chip overheats that can slow down to less than 1kBps.

Firefox is the only choice for browser because of W2k operating system, which autoupdates to keep W2k in use for many years to come. Ezip2000v3.5 is installed for software downloaded in zip format to checkout then run.

So, its restored with mostly pcmcia bus for USB2.0 adapter, wifi, dialup modem and ethernet cards. USB 1.0 port can be used with Orinoco USB-W wifi and on 7.82 drivers to save a pcmcia slot for other uses.

Its usable if webpages are displayed in fast order.

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#15 2012-01-24 16:54:35

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

If Dell cpi is hard to find on ebay, and c610 is too expensive still; you can buy a cpx laptop. It is 450-750 mhz Pentium III. And you will need 512 mB of two drams P100 low density cl2 sticks. And may get away cheap with only 256 mB total using W2k operating system; buying Dell restore cd to install it. Then download sp4 from Microsoft, if you install agere 7.82 drivers and use Orinoco wifi card at 550 kBps. You also need Ezip2000v3.5 to unzip agere drivers.

Dell cpx has large LCD. Its a good investment getting Firefox 10.0 for its autoupdate maintenance.

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#16 2012-02-24 01:02:45

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

IBM 600x 500 mhz is a nice light weight laptop. Works well with SliTaz3.0 stable livecd. But memory of 320 mB(576 mB max.) is still not enough to connect to wifi hotspot. So, we try ubuntu8.04 LTS version. It needs to be installed on hdd to use only 256 mB of memory. It took 3 hours of installation to boot from a 4.9 gB hdd.

Found the icon of two monitors(next to date/time) to connect to wifi hotspot instantly. firefox 3.0b4(updated to 3.6.17) has download manager running 400 kBps download of firefox10.2 tar.bz2 file. But IBM keyboard is all scrambled using US dvorak, not qwerty at all. Turned out, keyboard manufacturer has to be specified and model number is 600e. Then select usa for keyboard. Now I am posting this comment. Many users of Ubuntu needs to know how to select keyboards for laptops in Ubuntu.

The Firefox download also open and extracted to updater. But not yet stumbled onto build and install. Ubuntu has two ways to add and remove files. Then also debian synaptic package manager to add files.

So, the download speed is impressive with orinoco wifi pc-card(linksys wpc11 runs at 350 kBps), and Ubuntu 8.04 is ok for older laptops using hdd and over 256 mB of drams.

Footnote:
When I tested the 4 gB hdd, I used Easeus partitioner and it assigned drive E: on my desktop. Ubuntu recognized it as SCSI sda #5 partition. I partition it back to sda entire drive in Ubnutu.

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#17 2012-02-24 19:43:14

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Chrome V17.0 downloaded but failed to install on Ubuntu8.04 LTS(2008). install stopped at the missing dependency file libsound1(Dolby sound?). Google may never support the autoupdate of Ubuntu 8.94LTS. In May, 2011 Chrome v13.0 dropped support for Ubuntu 8.04. Previous version may work except not playing YouTube.

So, no 'angry birds' game can be downloaded from chrome web store. Alas.

Even Firefox 3.6.17 may stop at the Ubuntu repository or Debian repository never do Firefox. But in general, wifi is pleasant to download webpages and surf the internet.

Linux is more work to keep up than older windows(if no browser autoupdate).

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#18 2012-02-25 14:13:05

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Ubuntu 8.04 has cpu running 80% duty cycle. 4.2 gB hdd has 1.3 gB free; ext3 is actually 8.5 gB with 3 gB free after data is compressed. Kernel is running 2.6.24, thus orinoco wifi drivers worked well.

System autoupdates, but to install 10.4(kernel 2.6.30), I have to increase the capacity of the hdd. V10.4 can allow Chrome to be installed. And latest Firefox too?

There is rumors of IBM battery charging software is not correct. Using Ubuntu 8.04 seemed that battery is not being charged at 0.1 watts used to charge the laptop battery. Or is it the contact resistance of the battery that can only use 0.1 watts? Lithium ion or polymer formulation is high resistance if contacts are contaminated. Rubbing it off seem to change the charging process.

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#19 2012-02-26 19:50:48

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

IBM 600x is also rumored that the password of hdd, administrator and boot all had permanent effect. the computer will failed to work. Turned out the bad cmos battery proved this rumor wrong. All the memory of all the password no longer exist.

But also that IBM wanted people to know cmos battery failure is an error. You have to use a new battery to adjust date and time before using the laptops again. It is logical alright.

Once cmos battery is good. IBM laptops can resume normal operation.

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#20 2012-04-04 08:57:08

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Older IBM 600x may have a limit of the hdd size of 8 gB, because their bios were for 6 gB hdd. Then the later production 600x has 12 gB hdd and maybe able to work with 40 gB hdd to install XP.

If the hdd size is limited then installing XP will get a shut down due to HDD i/o error.

You can either update 600x bios(version 1.11 is upgraded to do XP install disk) and use a 6 gB hdd to install XP(2 gB). I found most of 600x is still with original bios version 1.00 which can not install XP due to line 2568 is invalid.

To repair IBM 600x, you have to download for 600e repair manual(pdf).

Common passwords can be removed by cmos battery removal for a while. Cpu overheating can prevent laptop from bootup(no lcd monitor). 8611 error code has to reseat keyboard socket. These are the most common problems.

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#21 2012-04-06 10:53:28

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Common problem with IBM 600x laptop is cmos battery expired. Replace it near the dram location. Then update date and time to remove 161 and 173 errors.

Most advice on the internet is wrong on the 8611 error, which is mouse connection on the system board. download an IBM 600 repair manual. Then you find out all the error codes and that you have to reseat the connector on the system board for the keyboard and mouse too. Keyboard can be removed to do the reseating after all 13 screws are removed from the bottom side.

There are errors in the manual regarding passwords. When cmos battery died, all the passwords are gone. HDD can be replaced especially buying parts laptop from ebay.

600x must have its bios v1.00 upgraded to v1.11(1.03) oct 12, 2001 to install XP operating system. This means you have to have internal or external floppy drive; or W98 to install the new bios. W98 on cdrom to install new bios maybe more difficult, because you have to add the Microsoft shut down update to finish all the data in the HDD. Both bios update software are on the Lenovo website. Installing the bios by external floppy drive, confirmed its v1.11.

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#22 2012-04-09 10:18:45

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

IBM 600x originally used low density drams; the square chip size is half of the rectangular size. The manufacturing process had humidity problems. It often overheats and memory failed. The trick is to paint aluminum paint on the top of these memory. Then the humidity will be dried out during use. The more you use the computer, the longer the good service. If you seldom use these memory, the humidity will prevent them working properly.

Once you upgrade to 8 chip sticks from these 16 chip sticks, you worries are over.

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#23 2012-04-11 23:00:11

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Dell c800 has dvd or cdrom from LG and they are often defective after a while. Beware.

C800 is about 850 mhz PIII cpu. XP operating system will be better than W2k for many drivers needed for c800. 10 gB hdd is sufficient for XP. Memory size could be 256 mB, using virtual memory. 512 mB would be better for Firefox browser, but the new Firefox v12 uses less memory.

WiFi cards still uses pcmcia slot. I prefer 802.11/b if you like /n it will download slower, much slower.

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#24 2013-09-13 08:15:25

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Re: IBM 600x & Dell cpi/cpx/c610 or netbooks ? slitaz/ubuntu8.04 or W2k ?

Ebay people strip off memory and hdd for profit on old laptops. Turn on dead laptop must put back memory to see the screen working. Surprised to find a dead c610 Dell is 1.2 ghz.

Ibm600x had problems with bios chip zapped, had to restore function by heating chip up for a lengthy time, then when it cooled down, bios worked and XP was installed. P100 memory had contact resistance problem that had to be reinserted.

XP is still best for these older laptops. W2k is usable. Others can not get on wifi internet. Linux orinoco wifi is now too slow for 802.11ac coming.

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