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#1 2011-05-23 21:00:20

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How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

It was OLPC that discovered routers with 28 users constantly on radio, need more meshed routers. Constant on is a waste of service, and denial of service is more often than not, by signal collision in time space continuum.

In bbs service years ago, 3000 users can be serviced by one computer and one modem. People log on to the bbs at different times. AOL & MSN as ISP use the same philosophy as bbs, when users log on to modems for internet service. 3000 users can use one modem at different time.

WiFi routers are used the same way. People as users will log on for a while then log off. 3000 users can share one router if ip address of 3000 users can be identified in router drivers. Then radio off is log off, radio on is log on for internet packet service. Denial of service depends on cue(users waiting in line) technology to avoid signal collision(too many radio on).

This is now being tried out by Microsoft autoupdate service on router drivers modification. However, you now have to turn on your own WiFi by radio off then radio on to log on to router to get an ip address each session of internet experience. This will soon be automatic when you turn on your computer, free WiFi will be available.

Big progress in internet traffic control technology?

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In Cambridge Ma., there used to be a Channel one bbs service. It has 64 modems for their 65000 users. On any day, you can see their modems in use during the day. At most their 15 modems will be busy out of 64 modem banks for 65000 paid users. I ask Bill Gates to do Microsoft MSN ISP started with only 300 computers and modems. AOL has 5000 computers for 24 million users. The only thing important is each user had to be identified by one ip address.

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#2 2011-05-24 10:23:25

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

While traffic control is a major accomplishment. It also shows how we have to use the initial logon to update daily new events or transactions of business for serious decisions to be made.

This clear up traffic of later demands in one sweep.

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#3 2011-05-25 14:56:56

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There is a new argument of bit torrent downloads, whether it will be full blast for one user or intermittent to allow webpage download service as well.

Its valid argument, movies download might lock up for three minutes per router. However, there are 13/14Japan data channels, so traffic control on busy fell over will use number of channels for full service full blast download.

This will wait for Microsoft to work out universal WiFi drivers and traffic control schedule based on total checksum load on each WiFi data channels. Then long bit torrent download will squeeze thru a few webpages instantly on demand; This means bit torrent scheduling can be changed by small checksum downloads reschedulong bit torrent progress in router memory.

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In modern edgeQam data channels, there are two muxes, so one mux can allow short bursts of webpages download in addition to bit torrent downloads on the other mux. EdgeQam has mux channels A and B. Edge is power adjustment to change the terrestrial edge so that one router can add users from another router to redistribute the loads by signal strength adjustment. My public B.H.M. WiFi router adjusted from 32% signal strength to 52% for my Realtek USB WiFi/n on my desktop. 42% signal strength had data errors on Realtek chips.

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#4 2011-05-28 10:05:16

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This traffic controller software in routers of public hotspots made them a full computer in design. Require a cpu and much memory to store download data integrity and control sequence and power delivered. Multitasking and multiprocessing of edgeQam data mux channels to telephone central office is necessary.

If you have 3000 customers on one router, you will show perhaps 28-30 active users at a time. 1000 customers may show a maximum of 15 users, and most likely perhaps only 8 active users on the router. Edge power delivery will shift users from one router to another depending on signal strength. You need dashboard to show number of users per router for central office or users? This we learned from running a bbs business.

This a a big task force. May take 6 months to a years to test out the WiFi traffic control software.

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#5 2011-06-01 14:03:26

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

WiFi wireless signals have carrier frequency of data channels, 11 in USA. Then it has intermediate frequency of data rates, 1-54 mbps. These signals are jammed in air waves. Router has to test the airwave to find a data rate that has no noise to jam the airwave to corrupt data integrity. This should be tested periodically to reset data rate for the fastest data transfer without many retries.

Radio off helps lower noise levels. Use radio only when you send and receive data from WiFi router.

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#6 2011-06-02 17:11:38

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Wifi traffic control must have two way download manager to remember the tasks and skip third party interference.

Signal strength has very big influence on resend packet ratio. Realtek needs 52% strength. Otherwise wasted five resend to get one maybe good packet to receive.

Traffic control is now done by locking path(secured connection to one server to avoid hackers input) by bit torrent codes without allowing higher priority of new input by your own mouse or keyboard(no ctty). So bit torrent did denial of WiFi service(locked on old partial webpage you downloaded) when you click on new website choices. QNX allows higher priority to take over cpu activity servicing new data transfer immediately.

On browser with secured path locked, it is important to close the browser to stop leaving any trace of the path for hackers or spies at your home to log on to bank accounts etc..

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#7 2011-06-07 10:48:38

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

Today, 06/07/2011 6:39 am, Microsoft already fixed the WiFi traffic control on XP to give mouse priority to change website connection for new webpage.

Its smooth operation. Will check it out to see if this will become permanent feature, and see if any new features are needed for Wifi traffic control for maximum speed and maximum users.

Some WiFi chipset(broadcom fwcutter) are set at 54 mbps. Realtek needs 24 mbps 46% signal strength for maximum speed. The sweet spot for chipsets need to be found and set in XP(utility to establish minimum resend  to receive ratio statistic, on data rate and signal strength to be set in router cookies)?

Bit torrent codes are locked paths and finished only if you change website, but can prevent hacking and security risks on Adobe flash player and its entire downloaded unsecured video codes(read only) display with anticrash and defeated ascii code 02(break command).

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#8 2011-06-08 08:22:31

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Eventually new router design will have many more channels(11) and data rate for users to send and receive packets. This means WiFi multitasking, assignment of data channels and data rates for many users.

if you use the present design of routers that allow only one user at a time, then you need many many routers at the same location to service many users.

Radio can receive anything simultaneously, and transmit each packet of users, if they occupy time and space continuum.

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#9 2011-06-11 09:39:03

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

On 06/11/2011 4:34am, Microsoft fixed Realtek 8191SU WiFi/g/n automation to connect to gateway router, except radio still must be manually off first then on to the connect. repair is now working on first connect.

The WiFi traffic control is coming along with more knowledge of hardware PLL temperature characteristics, and software traffic control sequences.

With the expected popularity of $75 WiFi tablets sold in drug stores. Traffic control of WiFi is not coming soon enough. We expect k12 schools may need WiFi systems next semester. Colleges and universities will need traffic control for 5000 to 20000 users.

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Realtek 8191SU still needs radio off then on to get network hotspots. Then after connect needs repair to get data rate clock sync'd connected to receive data. 06//12/2011., 8;01pm.

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#10 2011-06-13 14:11:29

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06/13/2011, today I logon to gateway as the 249 user, ip address 192.168.0.249, the speed of Realtek is the same as 101 or 104; because a number of registered users are not using the gateway routers. 3000 users can all use the same router if registered. Chances are only one user is active at a time(one radio active, rest all silent).

Now we are ready to redesign gateway router that has 14 data channels but with 300 data rate channels by synchronized clocks. /g can use 54 data rate clocks from 1 to 54 mbps(similar to gsm packets) Then with /n WiFi of six /g WiFi, data rate clocks can be synchronized to 300 clock of 1 to 300 mbps combined clocks(similar to cdma packets, then collated by download manager, data over 1-6 data rate clocks separately but simultaneously).

This will allow more users transfer high speed broadband data in dedicated data channels with distinct data rate clocks.

These WiFi gateway routers will be used in private networks or large server farms to connect new capacity easily to telephone trunk lines.

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#11 2011-06-15 09:53:10

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

WiFi gateway routers for free hotspots must have cookies for 3000 ip address registrations. This will save time from  searching DNS servers. Can go direct from cookies to 10-20 website ip address for each user or establish a mini DNS server on routers for portals or ebay or twitter, etc..

Internet traffic often stalled at DNS servers not finding ip address of website http: domain or subdomain. Alternative DNS servers have not been helpful. Remember frequently used ip address may help to speed up internet connection using browser cookies system to directly redirect.

Have fun, Microsoft?

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Most countries use DNS servers to do censorship of websites violating laws. Redirect servers may void this kind of censorship. But for popular websites with many subdomains, traffic control will be easier using redirect servers.

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#12 2011-06-20 10:23:44

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

On ip address(192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255 is class C private for router) tracking, we so far can not resolve from router assignment. Not ip address that had been assigned by host or website(ISP). So, router assigned ip address for WiFi gateway does not have cookies to show tracking info yet.

This is now reported to Microsoft to have info in router cookies, geographical location, email address, name, etc.(password video encryption). This maybe sensitive security info(level of confidentiality to official criminal investigation) to track any criminal events.

We are now making unsecured WiFi transmission some traceability for quality control(Class C private ip address must use an ip address with geographical location assignment on the gateway). My dialup modem ip address is 65.78.22.75 up to .255. That means 192.168.0.102 may have to be converted to 65.78.*.*? Free WiFi hotspots may have to be registered with DNS servers. What did 3com do for country wide free WiFi hotspots?

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#13 2011-06-22 22:00:52

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Packet switching made webpage an operating system and application specific. Twitter RTOS can do following of other Twitter users, saved from the same webpage one at a time(generate a new packet for each following request). Google search home page by RTOS, can do instant search(generate a packet to search new keywords) while you type the keyword change on the same webpage.

Now, however Chrome browser has  voice search which is not RTOS in the same webpage along with instant search. Voice search would stall and crash. Sometimes unable to connect to voice search server. Having RTOS in each webpage will have voice module in the same webpage or in the history of a webpage with voice to text software(in user's virtual memory).

So, we are still learning how to do RTOS in webpage or virtual memory(RTOS gears) in user's equipment instead of Google servers.

The idea of using only one webpage as an application to do repeated functions(generate new packets) on the same webpage is what packet RTOS switching can do. WiFi traffic control has to use reduced pixels webpage and short packets like posix RTOS instead of long dotnet packets to allow more users more data channels to communicate in broadband.

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Voice recordings in communications has to use one byte file system, not EXTx file systems as in Linux.

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#14 2011-06-28 04:06:39

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

I have one free unsecured hotspot(16roxbury) that can be access point(52% signal strength) or ad hoc computer to computer(100% signal strength, but no gateway ip address only 169.254.95.172 assigned), but I can not connect to internet either mode of 802.11 IBSS. Either mode, no reply from dhcp(shared 192,168.0.1 gateway ip address) or ad hoc connection, yet emits radio signals to be identified as hotspot. Maybe the wifi/g router is on, but the computer is off? Or the cableTV set top box is off?

This shows that WinXp needs to do shared access point to do free wifi hotspot. Private network ad hoc computer connections had to go thru computer that is set up for internet connection already.

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#15 2011-07-05 10:39:51

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

Currently, I have no free Wifi access point at my home. B.H.M. was taken off the line. My realtek Wifi/n has been improved to 54 mbps, but no wifi traffic control improvement known yet.

The last effort by Microsoft was to assign faster data rates. this means that the semiconductor chip has to have temperature control to maintain a data rate clock, send and read capability.

After that, traffic control software will have to be installed in gateway routers. 3000 ip address registration has to be maintained for faster logon. Radio off until packet is ready to send, and radio stay on when return packet to be received is expected. And when download is completed, radio is off until the next transmission cycle is started.

Gateway router has to keep track of checksum of returned packets until any download manager task is completed.

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#16 2011-07-15 17:52:47

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

Most distro of tiny Linux have problems of connecting to WiFi hotspots for free. The radio is unsecured, without encryption. But it needs wlan0(pci bus) for drivers supported by dhcpcd. Then dhcp to get ip address from gateway router to connect to browser.

Dhspcd 1.3.x was ethernet drivers converted to all the set-top box,wifi etc drivers. Later kernels included wifi drivers, dhcpcd 5.1.x became very simple merely install the wifi drivers from the kernels. The wifi drivers are separated into pci(wlan0 in netmanager), pcmcia and USB wifi devices. On older laptops, pcmcia and USB wifi drivers had to be installed from a cdrom. Linux kernels had drivers but they are all on pci bus installed inside the labtop. Install drivers from cdrom if you are using plugin wifi devices(pcmcia or USB), then dhcp can connect hotspot and router via ip address.

So, it is, how everything wifi works in 2.6.39.x. Aistrumi 2.3.0 netmanager works with wlan0 pci wifi installed in the laptop.

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#17 2011-08-08 13:36:17

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The traffic control on internet had lost its way. No reduced pixels for webpages. Lack of understanding of DNS delays when webpages have too many servers doing too many portions of webpages. And waste of time on silverlight graphics putting too many modules of codes to get the results finally.

These bad practices will give cellphones a better internet usage, if saving time. But, 3G never had the capacity and 4G just started. So, the internet traffic is getting worse. Win8 may never get out of the gate with its bloated graphics to delay speedy traffic to get the chores done.

So, lately every one is complaining too many users in the evening on the net. Not until Intel and Microsoft change their ways, I am afraid. This may mean the demise of Wintel as we know it. Going out of business may be too cruel an punishment for bad semiconductor engineering and bloated graphics on computers. It may come to that sad ending.

Posted on 08/08/2011.

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#18 2011-09-10 13:53:52

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Linux wifi drivers are still dependent on ndiswrapper of Mocrosoft drivers.

Many old wifi drivers included in kernel mode to be dispensed by dhcpcd are useless. they might be too old and lack of synchronization with new firmware. One of them is mwl8k(lack firmware) for Marvel 8k drivers. The new marvel chipset need libertas_cs for 8335 chipset.

Linux foundation does not do drivers update by autodetect. So, wifi units don't even have leds light up, until drivers worked. It will be some years maybe for them to realize that drivers don't work without firmware to update wifi features from /b to /g to /n and beyond.

Linux wants you to work on the drivers one by one instead of having the manufacturers update their drivers for Linux.

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#19 2011-09-16 08:00:11

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Re: How to do 3000 users per WiFi router ? Radio off initialization ? More

The efforts of internet traffic control will be finalized soon. The gateway router B.H.M. is back ip near my home(09/15/2011). I can log on as 103rd user of the ip address. If I use more than one laptops, then I will have more ip addresses in the gateway router.

The idea is to store all the MAC addresses in the memory, so that 3000 users can be using the router at any time. radio on then radio off to let others use the same router. Microsoft had to revise the router design, by storing memory of ip adresses in virtual memory, not directly in the router memory.

Wireless is much easier than wired connections to setup users. The future of internet service provider is to put up gateway routers for homes at very low subscription fee. The whole country will be routers all over. currently Microsoft allowed about 65 kBps data rate in downloads per users. 3000 users are shared ondemands over time. Not real 3000 users transfering data simultaneously. This busy time was based on a study of channel one bbs in cambridge ma, having 65000 customers on their bbs, and only 15 out of 64 modems were busy at any time.

Can you also use sip or skype voip over gateway routers? Why not, if you don't hog the phone all day? But that is the need of 3G/4G expensive cellphone subscription service. They allow slow audio connection for more people on gsm or cdma technology. Gateway router will have more channels of data rates(IF channels); also before Microsoft finnish the standards that we must have(more data channels per router). Future wireless service providers will have different fees for different data transfer rates[/n is multi data channel(3) wifi /g data rate) per month.

So, we are testing traffic control in the browser. I am using Firefox7b5.

We have asked ARRS to provide gateway routers for cabeTV customers to provide cost effective service of wireless subscription at home from the street(not home wired ethernet wireless). Each user can have several wifi accounts, taxing each computer with a MAC address for a fee per month. MAC address is uniwue and can be part of wireless unsecured trust facter for secured data transmission or encryption.

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Notice when i use gateway router not ISP dialup modem, my ip address is now changed from 69 to 146. I am piggy back for free for now.

Footnote 2:
We are now asking Microsoft to autupdate IE5.5 and later browsers with extension of packet size control and web kit beyond foobar and active-x directory(ace explorer 1.2 mB skin approaches).

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#20 2011-10-02 06:47:04

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Radio off wifi traffic control is rather difficult to implement. You have to do radio on from the users' computers. You can not reach the user if radio is off. So, the router upon receipt of radio on signal strength, will approve connection from stored ip address on MaC address data in storage. The obstacle today is the DNS server in the route. This prevents large number of websites available because of lack of memory for all the ip addresses. Virtual DNS caused too many pings and delay of webpage download, on which browser will shut down.

When busy, the router lost or caused delay supplying ip addresses of all the large website ip address.

Alternative solution maybe having 10(should be 15 reserved for 3000 occasional users) DNS servers to supply the gateway router requests by assignment(15 DNS packets format for 15 private DNS network) and busy fall over. logic to get webpage downloads.

Lets examine the wifi system? there are 13 data channel, only free hotspot has to accomodate 3000 users in one of the 13 data channels. The 3000 users will be using data rate channels 1-54 mbps. If 1 mbps data rate is used on 54 channels, at different clocks, then each channel need script to do 15 DNS server ping. to get download of webpage for each user's bit torrent network. If data rate is differentiated by 333, 667 and khz, then there are much more data channels for users. The router circuit board will have to be larger. As it is, we may have to service less users at anytime.

Encrypted data channels do not have as many users. so, its not much of a problem.

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#21 2011-10-02 07:33:17

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When we use 1 mbps data rate tx and rx wait state is perfect to and from router. When we speed up to 24 mbps data rate, RX resend number goes up to 54,000; tx is still 0. This maybe due to insufficient wait state of data rate asynchronous packets from router to computer wifi. wait state in clock cycle may have to be doubled or more depending on how fast is the data rate clock..

As we shake down the wifi traffic control, the overall performance can be analyzed and improved.

Smart people are buying used orinoco cards to limit the data rate(1-11 mbps) to have more perfect rx and tx packets transferred.

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Mesh data channels must have overhead of one data rate channel for each core.
/g OFDM of 54 mbps can be use by 28 1 mbps data rate users. If one user used 54 mbps, that data rate is saturated.
This leads to traffic control of 1-2 mbps, not 36, 24, 18 or 11 mbps data rate usage constantly changing. Changing clock need to synchronize two clocks and waste overhead time allocation. If packets are 1 mb long, it can be alternately used by user on cue(first come first serve) But the wait state of asynchronous transfer mode will lose to much time in wait state. that is why, you increase packet size to finish each webpage in one packet at 1-2 mbps. ACE explorer skin had ability to lengthen packet size to download webpages faster. This is why you have to avoid DNS servers on advertizing links. Use ondemand servers to include links and download the whole webpage at once.

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#22 2011-10-05 11:16:26

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The overall plan for wifi traffic control is often mistaken. the first goal is reduced webpage pixels by zoom to less magnification. This reduced time for download and traffic became lighter. Resolution is restored or improved by zoom using FPU.

Efficiency of traffic control goal is reduce the resend chances. Trffic will just move along if checksum is always correct and the total checksum gets the job done.

Traffic needs to be diverted to mesh data channels if busy. channel 6 to less busy channel 1 or 11. This means gateway ruters need MIMO also more cores, one core for each data channel. Or you need 11 routers to do mesh.

What to do with 4.5 gB OS downloads. Use 54 mbps data rate channel. Others on webpages do 1-2 mbps data rates.

Its important to download with bit torrent method so the checksum is never forgotten. Packets should be large and efficient. Never use small packets that got lossy. Never alternate users tasks, its hard to keep track of download packets.

Hopefully, Microsoft doing traffic control in browser, will write these principles on the wall, never forgotten.

Ondemand servers does the whole page in one packet. DNS server traffic is busy doing many links of a webpage. Avoid DNS servers to speed up WiFi traffic. Microsoft recently is using gateway router as DNS server, which fails to find websites on too many days. Its true, many users only have 10 websites they visit each day. So, DNS server should be in user's computer cookies including ip address to find website. But 28 links to each webpage will make websites not found easy mistake to happen.

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#23 2011-10-05 14:08:03

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There is of course one more trick to double the WiFi speed or increase to octo 8x speed.

It is the good old time delay multiplexer of double data rate, sync on leading edge and trailing edge of data rate then send two data streams of double the data rate. Dram people are more familiar with this technology. But today drams use octo data rates.

Hardware does need more PLL to accommodate the parallel data streams.

But PLL is cheap, time is money, so next step speed increase is just another old hat. It could be available in no time at all.

In fact, double, quad and octo data rates are 6 more data channels if not busy that you can choose. No doubt, double data rate in 3/4G system will increase data channels and speed of internet downloads.

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#24 2011-10-09 04:39:57

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Apparently, browsers should have one wifi packet for each webpage. Not allowing many links in a list for DNS server to perform. This will speed up wifi traffic. And no need to resend packet if any small packet got lost in the radio signals.

This one packet require endemand servers to collect all the parts of webpage from many link servers before downloading to webpage requester.

If you want to know how to do ondemand servers, CableTV vendors do software and hardware for movie ondemand service. The technology had been worked out many years already. software can also bill or charge the user for a fee.

This also means that cableTV can be wifi on the street to do multi data streaming to many individual computers for increased revenue ondemand.

WiFi traffic control technology is now in system design stage of hardware and software programming in browsers.

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#25 2011-10-11 18:47:40

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Today, Microsoft personnel made more mistakes trying to use small packet size, and the router forgot the task, and reset the transmission. Meaning webpages never got downloaded, just wasting time doing  one packet for each user at a time. Remember packets are radio signals and lossy as hell.

Its important to know that 3000 users, each must complete their webpage download, and its easy if long packets are used to finish download of a webpage in one packet. You have to finish one job before you start another. Never start all 3000 jobs then couldn't keep track of any jobs.

Yesterday, Microsoft must have different personnel, and long packets did a lot of good in webpage downloads. The whole day was perfect. Today, when traffic started to be busy, no download was completed, all had resets half way.

This lack of quality control of wifi traffic control, makes life not easy. One day perfect, right away, the next day some stupid guys try to screw up everything, by using short packets which couldn't keep track of total checksum to complete any webpage download by wifi.

There are synchronized data transfer mode, where each of the 3000 users are assigned a time slot for data transfer. So the speed gets a hit by time slot not being used at all times. Normally you have asynchronous data transfer mode where there must be wait state to compensate for propagation delay of distance from each user. ATM has to have long packets to complete each webpage download if you have many users. Otherwise each packet has to have realtime script to keep track of the state of webpage checksum downloaded and resends if there are errors. Yahoo and twitter all used too many realtime scripts that stopped webpage completion by being non responsive in its logic.

Some one must direct the design of the wifi traffic control system.

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